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round two of the presidential debates, and a new poll hit the campaign with a slash or thud and added more turbulence. the new usa today gallup poll shows mitt romney is making up ground in key swing states and he owes a lot of that to his rising popularity among women. >> mitt romney now leads president obama with five points. tied 48 to 48. he is still ahead with men, though. so the movement among women has put this race on the bubble. and today, ann romney who is leading the effort to get women to vote republican was in the battleground state of pennsylvania. >> find an independent that voted for barack obama last time
or a democrat that voted for barack obama last time. and say how have the last four years been? you want the same thing. go ahead. you want a change for a better prosperous future? vote for mitt romney. >> jennifer: paul ryan voted for the lilly ledbetter act. romney has always pledged to defund planned parenthood, would appoint supreme court justices who would overturn rowee v. wade. and the president has to call this out. republicans are arguing from freedom from regulation, unless of course you are a woman. don't worry your pretty little heads about it gals.
even with all of this it is not the time folks to get respondent. the poll actually has a very small sample size. not that i want to complain about the polls like some other campaigns have so don't take it from me, "new york times" polling guru tweeted this . . . and by the way nate silver now puts the president's reelection chances at 66%, which is a 3 point jump from yesterday. and he is basing that on other new national polls. but it's still a very close race. president obama leads in two
tracking polls. romney leads in one tracking poll. the candidates are tied in another, but there are other reasons to be hopeful because voting has already started in 40 states. the president is up by large margin among those early voters. and one of those early voters is first lady michelle obama. she cast herbal lot today and called on supporters to do the same. >> i have to tell you, i am pretty fired up and ready to go myself especially because this morning i cast my vote early for barack obama. [ cheers and applause ] >> today i voted for my husband! [ cheers and applause ] >> yes! it felt so good. >> jennifer: the president himself announced this afternoon that he is actually going to follow his wife's lead and also vote early. he'll become the first president
in history to do so. for now, though, the is holed up in virginia. he has been telling reporters that debate prep is going great. which is a very different assessment than the one he offered the last time around when he called prepping a drag. see, the president is going to come out tomorrow swinging. we hope anyway. now for a perspective on the polls, and to tell us what president obama needs to do michael thanks for coming back inside "the war room." >> sure thing. always a pleasure. >> you wrote a very interesting column on this subject. what was governor romney able to accomplish in the last debate that caused this unbelievable shift in the race? and what has the president got to do to shift it back. >> romney came prepared and really surprised obama. he really -- his discussion
about being this new moderate romney, i think totally caught obama off guard, and he didn't know how to handle it and he was very slow on his feet and wasn't present. obama needs to win here i think, governor. he doesn't just need a draw. a draw would be okay. it would keep things status quo. but status quo is pretty frightening for obama partisans. he needs to shift the momentum decisively. and reverse the slide that has been happening since october 3rdrd. >> jennifer: let me ask you to stop right there. because i want to ask what he has to fight for. but do you think you're being a little bit unrealistic, considering the fact that mitt
romney has been really good at these townhall debates. do you think that you are setting up reasonable expectations for the president to be able to swamp him? >> i don't know if there they are unreasonable. but i think there is a lot of pressure on him. i really do. and i think he needs a win to switch the tide. a draw keeps the tide as it and he might still win but he needs to come out fighting and show he is up there representing a set of beliefs and vision about the country, number 1. number 2, i think he really needs to tie romney's economic plans to what bush did, and, you know, bush came in. bush said i'm going to cut taxes and decrease regulations and the economy is going to take off, and he did that and the economy went like that.
i think obama needs to say why should we go back to the thing that created the crisis. i think he needs to talk specifically to the women. that's a very frightening thing for obama. he needs to talk specifically to women. he needs to try to reintroduce the plutocrat theme. just last month, romney was a bumbling pluto crat. and he need an agenda. >> jennifer: okay. do you think hitting him for example on bain, is that going to be effective in turning romney back into the guy who
fired american workers and outsourced american jobs. is that sort of the thrust of where the president should go? >> it all depends on how he says it, and the circumstances that it comes up under, but, yes, i think it has a lot of possible. romney has been talking about china on the stump, and i think that opening up the option for obama to talk about china. and then there is this 47%-er question. i do not believe that romney buried that question and put it behind him with this apology to sean hannity. i have never heard mitt romney sound more sincere in saying anything in his life than how he sounded when he said that. i think obama really needs to
press that. >> jennifer: i think that whole notion of what he says behind closes doors and then what he says to you, that disconnect has got to be brought forward. romney is like a trojan horse and he is bringing in these warriors who will be implementing that bush agenda. one of the things that you said in your column that i loved is that he has to remember who he is fighting for. so many times when people debate they often think it is about them, and when you recognize that you are there on behalf of the people or the cause you are fighting for, it becomes more personal. the 47%, the people who are hurting, and if he channels that then he can be compassionate enough to push back. >> yes, i think so. i think joe biden did that very
well. he was never up there just trying to win -- win a debate from the procter or whatever. he was trying to represent a constituency of many, many millions of voters who were voting for this ticket and counted on this ticket. and i think obama completely forgot that the first time. you don't get into weird technical discussions of the independent payment advisory board if you remember you are sup there trying to represent millions of people. >> jennifer: i agree. the issue of early voting apparently the state republican party of ohio is asking the u.s. supreme court if early voting hurts military voters. is this just a political exercise on the part of the officials there?
>> i -- without having looked into this or reported it, i would say that the officials in ohio probably thought, say, knowing this supreme court it's worth a shot. >> jennifer: i predict that the supreme court is not going to go into another situation that could lead to charges of bush v gore again. but who knows. thank you my friend. appreciate you coming into "the war room." >> martha raddatz she hit it out of the park jim lehrer said he will never do it. so what we can expect from candy? plus if you are tired of kicking around the same old bad republican guy? stick around i'll introduce you to a new one. and later is the bush dynasty over, or just lying in wait. a fascinating new article of 43
and younger brother jeb is raising more than a few eyebrows. it's "the war room." it's monday night. we are in new york city. and we'll be right back. do you share the sense of outrage that they're doing this, this corruption based on corruption based on corruption. >>i think that's an understatement, eliot. u>> i'm not prone tot. understatement, so explain to me why that is. i think the mob learned from wall st., not vice versa.
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understanding between the campaigns, the moderator candy crowley is prohibited from asking follow-up questions, but she has said herself repeatedly that she does plan to do that. >> as was the case in the charlie gibson townhall meeting, and the tom brokaw townhall meeting, there was a time after that for follow-up and furthering the discussion. >> jennifer: you go girl. that's what i'm saying. both campaigns have raised concerns about those comments though. so what should they be concerned about going in tomorrow's debate? for more on that i'm joined by samuel popkin. professor popkin is joining us from the war room in san
francisco. sorry we're not in the same time zone. >> it is a thrilled to be here and meet a very impressive staff. >> jennifer: i have a great team. >> you do. >> jennifer: do you think the campaigns are so concerned about follow-up questions in a townhall setting? >> all complains are threatened by spontaneity and impront tu. we can see why after the first debate when one of the candidates reinvented himself, and the other candidate didn't know what to do with it. >> jennifer: who do you think is going to do better in this townhall setting, president obama or mitt romney? >> i expect president obama to stick it to governor romney on
the secrets that are not there in his budget the promises all depend on hidden fine print that has not been exposed and i expect president obama to point that out, and i expect him to go hard on the most dangerous truth governor romney had in the first debate. in the first debate, one deceptive truth was as dangerous as the untruths. and that is i can work with democrats. you can't work with republicans. so there will be no more gridlock if people work with me. >> jennifer: so how do you do that in a townhall setting? >> i think you need to stick it to the governor that he promised to repeal obamacare on day one, and that's not exactly a conciliatory reach across the
aisle -- >> jennifer: he did say that in the first debate. let me just ask you. how does this issue is really important in a townhall format. how does president obama go after mitt romney, tear him down in a townhall setting without coming off too strong? >> right. you -- you can't be on the attack and act like you are in charge and command and confident. you have somehow need to do things like -- i recall treating mitt romney like the ants at the picnic. a minor diversion and already a number of republicans have backed away. bill clinton had bipart tanship his second term.
ronald reagan has bipart sinship the second time. >> jennifer: but in a townhall setting, i think this is a really tricky dance. i think people are expecting president obama to come out punch, punch, punch. and it's a fine balance. >> i think questions work better than attacks. you know, how are you going to do that without doing this? there are questions you can ask. why haven't you trusted the american people with the details? are you still beating your wife? are you still hiding your tax plan? >> jennifer: according to the democracy core poll 53% of voters apparently care more
about the candidate's plan for the future, and 36% base their vote on candidate's past records. so should obama focus more on policy and what a second term would look like and feel for the american voters rather than attack mitt romney's character? >> it's not the legislated details, it's why we're going to get further in the second term than the last term. once the patient is out of bed, it starts moving faster? is it the second four years of a recovery are always better than the first four? he has to let people know the rocket has lifted off and it is picking up speed, not that you have to start all over. if you are getting better slowly, you don't change doctors, but if you are not getting better or getting
worse, you have to change doctors. >> jennifer: exactly. i started this conversation talking about candy crowley. how are those questions picked? how do they decide who gets to ask the question inside of a townhall? >> i don't quite know and i can assure you the campaigns would give anything in the world to quite know. i think obama is going to be ready to be flexible, but there's a real danger which is mitt romney has been out there huge, and kissy facie and getting friendly and the president has been in his bubble even though he has been practicing. i hope they bring in a few strangers to ask him questions. >> jennifer: i do too. samuel thank you so much for joining us in "the war room."
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♪ >> jennifer: now to my point. i want to report to you, really on what i saw this weekend on the ground in the swing state of virginia. i went there to thank and to rally the campaign volunteers in virginia, and what i saw was incredible. i canvassed door-to-door with volunteers. i was also on the got-to-vote bus, with justin long and just on saturday's day of canvassing alone, thousands of volunteers walked across virginia in neighbors and knocked on more than 100,000 doors. there were nearly 700 events? virginia alone.
there are 50 field offices across virginia. thousands of phone bankers made thousands of calls to get people out to vote. and the canvassers had been doing this for month. the volunteers that i saw at six different offices they went to in these stops across the state. they were excited, compassionate, committed all of them were energized by joe biden's debate performance. they were fired up! ready to go! that was the chant for the weekend. but i'm sure the feeling was the same in florida, ohio colorado and the other battleground states. so tonight i want to honor all of the swing state volunteers across the country. you are at the epicenter of the
political universe. what you are doing is not just for your state. it's for an entire future and frankly for the future of the world that we all live in. the importance of your work cannot be overstated. no pressure. so thank you from everyone across the country in the rest of the states everyone who has felt the destructive impact of these policies of romney and bush, everybody who knows how devastating it would be to drive in reverse. president obama saved a million auto-industry jobs because he is philosophically opposed to simply watching jobs disappear. governor romney would have let the whole thing go bankrupt because he is philosophically
opposed to intervening. this is what i hope the president reminds us tomorrow night. 5.2 million jobs, created in 31 months, consumer confidence the highest it has been in five years, stock market, the highest it has been in five years, foreclosures the lowest they have been in five years. the unemployment rate the lowest it has been since the president took office. it is clear we are on the right track and we are not turning back. so thank you, volunteers from a grateful nation. you are an inspiration. 22 more days. keep it up. up next we'll introduce you to nathan sproul. he doesn't like it when democrats get to vote and he is on karl rove's payroll. he is what conservatives would
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>> jennifer: you're back inside "the war room." i'm jennifer granholm, and now to an update on republican operative nathan sproul. you remember him, he's public enemy number one when it comes to disenfranchising democratic voters. remember this video of one his workers saying she could only register republicans? >> who are you registering? all voters? >> i'm actually trying to register people for a particular party. we're out here in support of romney, actually. >> and who is paying you for this? >> let's see, we're working for the county clerk's office. >> all right. you cannot come out here and
register one party, lady. >> jennifer: now the karl rove super pac has paid at least $750,000 for nathan sproul's services, that despite sproul being under investigation for his illegal practices like you just sproul has had a long long history of shady dealings, but the times are reporting that the gop and his allies are continuing to higher him. our next guest wrote an article today about the karl rove the republican party and is the
author of "boss rove: inside karl rove's secret kingdom of power." craig, welcome back inside "the war room." appreciate you bringing us this story. >> thanks for having me. >> jennifer: you bet. the fact that karl rove has hired this guy that under investigation, and the gop has said we're shocked. why isn't this a main stream story? >> because i think karl rove has been operating under the radio. and he is king of the super pacs and has hundreds of millions of dollars under his control. you look at romney's high command, and you see five or six very key people who are rove proteges, and he is parting like it's 2004 once again. and you saw all of these tactics back in 2004 especially in ohio.
>> jennifer: describe for people who may not be as familiar with this story, exactly what spoul has been charged with. >> in some cases he will get democratic to register and then change their addresses so their registration can be challenged at the polls, which may mean they may not actually get to vote. there have been cases in which -- they go in to democratic neighbors and take registrations and they may not register them at all. in 2004 there were techniques used in ohio such as caging. and this was under rove's direction, the republicans would send out massive emails to democratic neighborhoods, african-americans tend to vote more than 90% for democratic
and it wasn't clear those votes would be accounted for. >> jennifer: so sproul set up these -- like the clip of the young woman we saw only registering republicans. and that's of course unlawful, so he is under investigation. in florida when this was unearthed. the republican party said we have cut ties with him, but apparently rove is still hiring this guy. >> right, and the l.a. times reported that he is still active as of october 2012. and you have to wonder if these polls are counting people who's votes may not actually be counted. >> jennifer: "the los angeles times" has wrote about it why
aren't these things willing stopped? >> it takes forever to be investigated. to investigate in real time is very difficult. >> jennifer: do you think what he is doing could impact this election? >> oh, absolutely. there has been a lot of controversies -- you have actually what is a massive voter suppression campaign. and rove started it as a campaign against voter -- requiring id's for voters. >> think hypocrisy is just so rank, they have been beating this drum about voter fraud, and they are the ones caught with
their hand in the cookie jar in 30 different states. i think some democratic attorney generals should be able to take some more aggressive action. thank you for coming. >> thank you for having me. that's craig unger, author of "boss rove: inside karl rove's secret kingdom of power." up next, george w's younger brother jeb is actually being quite vocal about the state of the republican party, and he is not exactly singing its praises. so use lysol disinfectant spray on soft surfaces everyday when you're cleaning up to keep your home healthy. it kills 99.9% of bacteria won't stain, and leaves your soft surfaces with a light, fresh scent. lysol - the number one
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i think republicans need to change our gop moniker to a gsp. grand solutions party. be about big things about solutions, that's what swing voters care about. >> jennifer: so former florida governor jeb bush, so fascinating. he is not afraid to ruffle some republican feathers, and he believes his party has to make fundamental changes to stay relevant. and a big part of that is to reach out to latino voters. and jeb bush is warning that the problem with hispanic voters is so bad that texas, texas! now a red state could turn blue by 2016. so speaking of 2016 if governor romney loses to president obama,
jeb bush becomes a leading gop front runner. automatically. so what is the likelihood that he is going to run? here to discuss that is joe hagen, joe has penned the article "bush in the wilderness" for this week's edition. i'm so fascinated by this piece. it was really so in depth. you really got inside of what was going on in the bush family. let's start with jeb. so why didn't he run this time? >> well, he was born. and he definitely wanted to and he had a lot of people asking him to practically begging him to. but what ended up happening was there was some issues inside of his own family -- >> jennifer: like what in >> well, his wife who has never
been interested on being on the political stage with him. she has long been very much in the background extremely private. she does not speak english well. and had an incident i believe in the late '90s when governor bush first became governor of florida? which she went on a $20,000 spending spree in paris -- >> jennifer: so the public exposure was not appealing to her? >> right. so there are some questions of whether she is willing or able -- >> jennifer: at any point to do it. >> possibly. we don't know. this is a question i ask asked advisors of jebs can he ever overcome the problem with the wife, and if the calling is strong enough, should romney lose? >> jennifer: well because she
is from mexico she speaks fluent spanish and one of the reasons why he is seen as a more acceptable republican, and one who wants to reach out and expand the base. i'm curious about the relationship between jeb and george w. would george w the older brother, be happy if he ran? >> the people have i spoken to say he is very ambivalent about it. and seem to want to avoid the subject. >> why is that? >> w is the oldest and never quite living up to his father's expectations. and jeb was the good son. >> jennifer: oh. >> and jeb was so committed to
his father, and on his campaign and the families thought he would be the one -- >> jennifer: wow. do you there is some jealousy still? >> it all changed in 1994 when jeb won in florida, and w ran in texas, jeb won his, w lost his. and it kind of changed fortunes for jeb bush. >> jennifer: since george w. bush has been really out of the limelight, what has he been up to? >> we have learned he has taken up painting. >> painting? >> yes painting dogs? >> who's dogs? >> his own and possibly other people's dogs. landscapes and texas themes. >> jennifer: is he taking
lessons? >> he is. >> jennifer: like oil paintings? >> oils and water colors. >> jennifer: no kidding? >> yes. >> jennifer: it's like a pastoral reflective -- >> that's right. >> jennifer: let's listen -- i want to listen -- back to jeb now. i want to listen to a sound bite from jeb bush's son. hang on. >> i'm drawn to public service whether it's being an inner city public high school teacher or serving in our nation's military. i have been attracted to politics, and right now i don't have any goals that are specific, but i love helping out behind the scenes -- >> sounds like a yes to me. >> jennifer: he was being interviewed by wolfe blitzer. does he have a bright future?
>> they all seem to think so down in texas. >> jennifer: in texas? >> in texas people believe he will run in 2014. >> jennifer: in texas? >> in texas. sew now his slated should jeb not be the next bush to run for something, george p is this next hopeful. >> jennifer: is he close to uncle george yes. >> jennifer: in jeb bush runs i was talking to a number of conservatives this weekend and they were saying he is certainly a key heir apparent to the nomination if he wants it but isn't his biggest problem his
last name? >> i think so. a lot of people think if you give it enough time the myths of time and nostalgia will set in and people will be ready for it. and i think within the gop itself if romney should lose imagine the apocalypse within the party? they either need to find somebody closer to the center -- >> jennifer: do you think in this gop environment, if he really is more of a moderate could he be successful? >> that is the big question. as you know the pendulum swings back and forth in politics. there was a time when pat buchanan and ross perreault could challenge bush senior and then it swung book and we got george w. bush. >> jennifer: let's assume that president obama getting reelected and has another four
years. what is jeb bush doing right now? >> he is putting together a lot of different pieces that to me look like a presidential platform. on immigration he is way out ahead of his party and is writing a book right now that will lay out his philosophy on immigration. >> jennifer: smart move. >> yes. and george w. bush put out a book on economic policy this summer called "the 4% solution," not many people read it, but jeb was supportive of it. >> jennifer: so you think that george w. bush wrote that policy at his behest -- >> it's out of the george w. bush institute and jeb was on
the board -- >> jennifer: fascinating bush politics going on. thank you, joe for coming inside "the war room." check out joe's piece in the new york magazine. up next, brett ehrlich takes some of the mystery out of mitt romney. >> coming up we discover there are many, many layers to mitt romney, he is like an onion, or a landfill, don't go away. do you share the sense of outrage that they're doing this, this corruption based on corruption based on corruption. >>i think that's an understatement, eliot. u>> i'm not prone tot. understatement, so explain to me i think the mob learned from wall st., not vice versa.
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>> jennifer: in our mitt moment tonight we see the apple doesn't fall far from the romney tree. when a romney supporter forced a bunch of coal miners to attend that photo opwith the governor? yesterday paul ryan had a photo opat a soup kitchen, and wouldn't you know it it was a forced job. the president said, quote . . . apparently they put on aprons, the ryans and pretends to wash some pots that weren't even dirty in the soup kitchen, just for the photo op. i'm just saying. to many of us mitt romney is a mystery in much the same way, so
is brett ehrlich. shhhh, brett's talking now. >> usually when i watch meet the press, i don't. i'm sleeping. every saturday there is a led zeppelin start up band. but this week i forced myself to. >> jennifer: he is like a trojan horse, and inside the trojan horse are trickle-down generals and neo-cons. >> yes, and we don't know what he is like at the core. i have some time on my hand let me try to find out and peel back the layers of romney. inside moderate mitt is this guy. >> but i was a severely conservative republican governor. >> yes, conservative romney. and you can tell because his hair is super duper in place.
there is so many mitts it's like a russian nesting doll. aha, so clever romney. another conservative romney who doesn't like women choosing things, and inside that romney -- >> i have been a hunter pretty much my whole life. >> a rugged romney. >> mitt romney is a car guy. >> a car and the guy, mitt romney. it's a transformed mitt. but what is he at his core? i have discovered it. he is a jolly rancher. the only thing that could fit in a space that small. i'm done talking now. >> jennifer: all right. someone is always in our war